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. >> i voted for bill clinton twice. i voted for clinton. >> i voted for clinton. >> al gore. >> i voted for al gore. >> al gore. >> i voted for barack obama. >> i voted for barack obama. >> barack obama in 2008. >> i had huge hopes. but you know what, i got burned in 2008. >> the trillions and trillions of dollars of deficits. >> this time. >> this year. >> i've changed. >> i'm changing my vote. >> i changed my mind. >> to mitt romney and paul ryan. >> to romney and ryan. >> to mitt romney and paul ryan. they have plans and ideas that i believe will work. >> greta: joining us our political panel, rick klein, michael crawley, and justin sink. rick? >> find me a voter for voted for mccain four years ago and now says obama. it's a small segment of the population. this is the kind of message. it's an invitation to the former obama voters, the one-time obama voters who may be supporting him right now, on the fence right now, to say join us on the other side, you don't have to hate the guy, that he's the wrong direction for t
. >> i voted for bill clinton twice. i voted for clinton. >> i voted for clinton. >> al gore. >> i voted for al gore. >> al gore. >> i voted for barack obama. >> i voted for barack obama. >> barack obama in 2008. >> i had huge hopes. but you know what, i got burned in 2008. >> the trillions and trillions of dollars of deficits. >> this time. >> this year. >> i've changed. >> i'm changing my vote. >> i...
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he leaned on bill clinton to make the case this is no way he could have turned this around in four years. >> the economy is not fixed. i am telling you, nobody could have fixed this much damage in four years. the president's mock plan is better in the short run, the long run and a vision where all of us in this together is better than you be often your own. there is no on your own country in the world succeeding like those who have a good "we are all in this together" strategy. >>reporter: the order of questions is decided. the president gets the first. the problem with the argument that former president clinton made in 2009 president obama said if he didn't turn this around in 3 or 3 1/2 years it would be a one-term proposition. something governor romney will point out. >> the governor aides say -- the obama camp will focus on the economy, taxes and the deficit and will hit romney hard on the idea that bill clinton has been making and made at the democratic national convention in charlotte, north carolina, it does not add up when you look at the romney campaign. >> he will say he will c
he leaned on bill clinton to make the case this is no way he could have turned this around in four years. >> the economy is not fixed. i am telling you, nobody could have fixed this much damage in four years. the president's mock plan is better in the short run, the long run and a vision where all of us in this together is better than you be often your own. there is no on your own country in the world succeeding like those who have a good "we are all in this together" strategy....
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bill clinton was impeached for lies. where is the accountability in this administration? own up to the fact we are at war with an evil force that will never be satisfied until we are all dead. this is not about political offices or expanded geopolitical borders. this is about the survival of our civilization. if this administration won't lead in the battle, then step aside and let someone do it who won't lie to us and endanger our children. [ applause ] on friday the director of national intelligence issued a statement. joining me is katherine hair aj. why this document on friday afternoon? >> you know when you've got bad news the place you put it, that is when we had with the statement. this is a person who is top intelligence officer in the united states government. i have the statement right here. what i believe it does it attempts to give the administration some cover for their initial comments and then concludes what we saw in libya wasn't terrorism. there is a problem here. when you read the statement is what you see is the administration assessments of libya went w
bill clinton was impeached for lies. where is the accountability in this administration? own up to the fact we are at war with an evil force that will never be satisfied until we are all dead. this is not about political offices or expanded geopolitical borders. this is about the survival of our civilization. if this administration won't lead in the battle, then step aside and let someone do it who won't lie to us and endanger our children. [ applause ] on friday the director of national...
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our tax rates were higher and the world did not implode. >> bill clinton cut spending. >> bill clinton did cut spending. >> that's correct. >> bill clinton was worried about deficits. be obama is increasing spending. he wants tax credits and spending subsidies. >> this is not what with tax cuts to higher people -- >> i will ask you about when he talks about energy he is not talking about fraking or shale. he is talking about more green energy spending. that's the difference between him and clinton. >> appreciate that. what i'm saying is if you don't like the same as it ever was, let's have a conversation about the bush years if we are going to talk about what worked and didn't work, bush's policies did not work. if you don't believe me, look at the 4.5 million jobs. >> what do you mean? >> 2008 until january 2009, we lost 4.5 million jobs. >> do you know over the same time span that bush created more jobs. the bush recovery created more jobs than the obama -- >> what was -- >> even though the recession was much milder,crea more jobs than obama did. using the obama metric. listen, i kno
our tax rates were higher and the world did not implode. >> bill clinton cut spending. >> bill clinton did cut spending. >> that's correct. >> bill clinton was worried about deficits. be obama is increasing spending. he wants tax credits and spending subsidies. >> this is not what with tax cuts to higher people -- >> i will ask you about when he talks about energy he is not talking about fraking or shale. he is talking about more green energy spending. that's...
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in 1992, the incumbent president was down nine points in mid-september, tied with bill clinton by the end of october, though clinton eventually won. a former clinton pollster is questioning the assumptions being made in today's polls. >> these polls are assuming that you have the same high level of african american, latino, and young people vote in 2012 that you had in 2008. >> obama campaign senior advisor david axelrod told fox, "public polls are widely variant in their sampling and methodology so it's hard to case when they all point in one direction they're all wrong, but we are planning for a close race as we always have." another democratic strategist offered this assessment -- >> the race isn't over. look, this thing can move back and forth three or four times between now and november 6th. if i'm romney, you try to create that momentum. he saw a sign to do it. >> of the eight presidential races in the past 10 where the leads were cut or flipped by the opponent, the average of the comebacks was roughly 5%. in some cases it was a debate that moved the needle. harris? >> mike, tha
in 1992, the incumbent president was down nine points in mid-september, tied with bill clinton by the end of october, though clinton eventually won. a former clinton pollster is questioning the assumptions being made in today's polls. >> these polls are assuming that you have the same high level of african american, latino, and young people vote in 2012 that you had in 2008. >> obama campaign senior advisor david axelrod told fox, "public polls are widely variant in their...
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we read your progress in the 23 million jobs created under bill clinton when the average american family felt income go up by 7,500 instead of down 2,000 like george w. bush. that that's the standard he set. he's a failure, the family income has gone down $4,000 in 3 1/2 years under obama compared to $2,000 under george w. in eight years. >> because of that family income, that's not a made up number, that's a government number. i think both of these guys should be looking for permanent middle class tax cuts. permanent middle class tax cuts so that take-home pay will go up. i'll give you the last word. >> i found myself strangely agreeing with your plan to cut the middle class and take away the deductions and keep tax rates for people who make a lot of money like you and i fairly high. i think that makes abundant good sense. but we're forgetting one thing. the biggest challenge may be even more than anything is our debt and our deficit. and i think with governor romney and paul ryan figured out was they can't give $5 trillion worth of tax cuts and still eat into the deficit, which i think
we read your progress in the 23 million jobs created under bill clinton when the average american family felt income go up by 7,500 instead of down 2,000 like george w. bush. that that's the standard he set. he's a failure, the family income has gone down $4,000 in 3 1/2 years under obama compared to $2,000 under george w. in eight years. >> because of that family income, that's not a made up number, that's a government number. i think both of these guys should be looking for permanent...
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bush took it every day and i believe that bill clinton took it every day. this president thinks he's smarter than those guys and he doesn't have to engage in the discussion. that's the most important half hour of the day for a president who has to protect the security of the united states. >> gretchen: it's interesting because when you ask people what is the most important role of the president of the united states, that's usually the answer that's given by historians, to protect this nation. so in that essence, john sununu probably not going to get much criticism for that statement, but should he go to these things in person? turns out now he is going to all the intel briefings since it came to light that he wasn't. >> brian: i like -- yesterday the republicans are saying he's not being direct in saying the difference between the two. he said flat out. it was a terrorist attack. al-qaeda assassinated our diplomat. that's an act of terror. the white house does not want to admit it and it is trouble to go a group of senators who got together and not only wan
bush took it every day and i believe that bill clinton took it every day. this president thinks he's smarter than those guys and he doesn't have to engage in the discussion. that's the most important half hour of the day for a president who has to protect the security of the united states. >> gretchen: it's interesting because when you ask people what is the most important role of the president of the united states, that's usually the answer that's given by historians, to protect this...
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retched nixon lied because of coverups and bill clinton i am protested because of lies and coverups, where is the accountability in this administration, own up to the fact that we are at war with an evil force never be molified or satisfied until we're all dead. this is not about political offices or expanded geopolitical orders, this is about the survival of our civilization, if this administration can't or won't lead in the battle then step aside and let someone do it who won't lie to us and endanger our children. [applause] well, on friday, the office of the director of national intelligence issued a statement, attempting to put the matter to rest, going to washington is the chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge. why this document dump on a friday afternoon? >> well, you know, governor, as well as everyone else when you've got bad news, the place you put it is late on friday, what we had with the statement from director of national intelligence, a person who is a top intelligence officer in the united states government and i have the statement right here. and what i
retched nixon lied because of coverups and bill clinton i am protested because of lies and coverups, where is the accountability in this administration, own up to the fact that we are at war with an evil force never be molified or satisfied until we're all dead. this is not about political offices or expanded geopolitical orders, this is about the survival of our civilization, if this administration can't or won't lead in the battle then step aside and let someone do it who won't lie to us and...
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i'm no debate pro, but you know. >> that's the place where barack obama, bill clinton, you ask them a question like that, they'll go deep into the math on you. they will rattle off numbers and until you start to pass out. >> you want to stab yourself in the neck. >> they will numb you with numbers and, you know, most of them true, most of them right, all of them framed to their benefit, but they've got the command of the specifics to back up what they're saying. >> i think paul ryan has the command. he just knows that it will probably increase taxes for people earning between $100,000 and $200,000 a year. >> the answer is like with releasie ining romney's tax ret the answer is one they don't want to give. they bet the farm on not giving the answer. the plan was not to have a plan, was to run against barack obama's plan, and just keep pointing the finger at him and not have any specifics to offer of your own so you could never be attacked. >> like a bad jewel heist movie when everybody gathers in the corner in the back of the van and the plan is to have no plan. and then someone is lik
i'm no debate pro, but you know. >> that's the place where barack obama, bill clinton, you ask them a question like that, they'll go deep into the math on you. they will rattle off numbers and until you start to pass out. >> you want to stab yourself in the neck. >> they will numb you with numbers and, you know, most of them true, most of them right, all of them framed to their benefit, but they've got the command of the specifics to back up what they're saying. >> i...
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we knew what kinds of judge wear bill clinton wore. and we knew nothing about president obama and it's a national security issue. >> andrea do you think in the morning there is a conference call between abc, nbc and cbs and the "new york times" to decide what they are going to report on obama? >> don't put tblords my mouth. they know what the news of the day is and they choose to ignore it. the on time that they choose not to ignore it is when their access is threatened. you saw the media actually criticize president obama for not meeting with foreign leaders because they got snubbed for the ladies at the view. when they miss the access themselves that's when they complain. >> if you were ahead you wouldn't be having these arguments. >> i highly doubt it. martha: thanks so much, you guys. bill: bob is going to screen something like "coming up! ". the battle over obama-care could be headed back to the u.s. supreme court and what in the supreme court and what in the world would cause this. >> it seems like you guys -- al? sea turtle. wha
we knew what kinds of judge wear bill clinton wore. and we knew nothing about president obama and it's a national security issue. >> andrea do you think in the morning there is a conference call between abc, nbc and cbs and the "new york times" to decide what they are going to report on obama? >> don't put tblords my mouth. they know what the news of the day is and they choose to ignore it. the on time that they choose not to ignore it is when their access is threatened....
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is that bill clinton's work? >> reporter: i was just going to say, is it bill clinton's? you could credit him. i think he deserves some credit in the argument he laid out at the convention. but clearly you've moved something. this isn't just democrats deciding, hey, i'm with obama and now i feel better about the country. you're seeing moves with independent voters on that question. people that are going to end up voting for romney, who believe the economy is in recovery. >> the reason for the -- the reason -- >> reporter: the whole thing is coming together for obama. he's in re-elect territory. >> guys, the numbers don't back that up. our second quarter growth number was 1.3, wasn't it? i mean, how do you get -- why are they saying it's better? >> but chris, the people who study this kind of thing and try to correlate economic numbers with election results will tell you that the numbers were good enough in the second and third quarter in terms of growth of real personal income in the country to correlate to a victory for incumbent president. >> wow. >> no, the numbers hav
is that bill clinton's work? >> reporter: i was just going to say, is it bill clinton's? you could credit him. i think he deserves some credit in the argument he laid out at the convention. but clearly you've moved something. this isn't just democrats deciding, hey, i'm with obama and now i feel better about the country. you're seeing moves with independent voters on that question. people that are going to end up voting for romney, who believe the economy is in recovery. >> the...
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. >> if a president of either party, i don't care whether it was jimmy carter or bill clinton or george bush or ronald reagan or george h.w. bush had had a terrorist incident and gotten on an airplane after saying something and flown off to a fund raisener las vegas, they would have been crucified. it would have been, it should have been barack -- equivalent for barack obama of george bush's flying over katrina moment. >> but nothing was said at all. and nothing will be said. >> with us now is mr. caddell. so you think this is an organized press suppression of this story? >> well, organized -- whether it's organized is a straight conspiracy, everyone is in on it and doing it and it's a purposeful conscious effort to suppress news that might help obama. we have gone down a slippery slope here. look, bill, we have had liberal bias or bias in the press for a long time. for many years. but it's gotten worse starting in 2008. now we have a press that actively engages in the re-election. putting out a narrative that romney is a loser, you know running polls, they are using like telling n.i.v.
. >> if a president of either party, i don't care whether it was jimmy carter or bill clinton or george bush or ronald reagan or george h.w. bush had had a terrorist incident and gotten on an airplane after saying something and flown off to a fund raisener las vegas, they would have been crucified. it would have been, it should have been barack -- equivalent for barack obama of george bush's flying over katrina moment. >> but nothing was said at all. and nothing will be said....
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if there's one thing we've learned in this election season, by the way, it is that a few words from bill clinton can do a man a lot of good. [ laughter ] >> sort of a double-edged sword there, but nonetheless, a fun laugh line. romney went on to lay out his plan on how he would change how this country gives foreign aid. he calls it a prosperity pact and it would attach more strings to the $50 billion america gives other countries every single year. but does it add up? dan senor is one of the policy advisers and i spoke with him a short while ago. so politico called this, and you were involved with this speech and policy, one of romney's best-prepared and best-delivered speeches of the campaign. that was a win for you. >> yeah, a good day. he was talking about big ideas. he was talking about complete modernization of our foreign assistance programs, talking about the fact that while the international community gives about $120 billion a year to developing world in assistance and development assistance, the truth is, it's exponentially larger in terms much funds that trade and foreign dire
if there's one thing we've learned in this election season, by the way, it is that a few words from bill clinton can do a man a lot of good. [ laughter ] >> sort of a double-edged sword there, but nonetheless, a fun laugh line. romney went on to lay out his plan on how he would change how this country gives foreign aid. he calls it a prosperity pact and it would attach more strings to the $50 billion america gives other countries every single year. but does it add up? dan senor is one of...
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when bill clinton gave his talk at the democratic national convention he was incredibly shrewd because he did not talk about medicare. why did he not talk about medicare? medicare is not the real difference in terms of numbers between these two campaigns. it really is medicaid. when you look at medicaid and who benefits from medicaid, it is a lot of white, working-class folks, as well as underrepresented minority backgrounds. when you think about how republicans need to talk about it, i think that is that funny thing about ryan and ryanism. he has in some respects gotten it right in talking about how you want to talk about how we actually care about the safety net. it matters a lot to us and a free enterprise society, and a dynamic society we need to have this. it is not a side thing that we put a garnish on the salad, but it is an incredibly important part of making the system work. the problem is that -- ryan, the reason he excites activists is for other reasons. the way in which he sometimes uses a very apocalyptic language about the threats to free enterprise. i think that is one r
when bill clinton gave his talk at the democratic national convention he was incredibly shrewd because he did not talk about medicare. why did he not talk about medicare? medicare is not the real difference in terms of numbers between these two campaigns. it really is medicaid. when you look at medicaid and who benefits from medicaid, it is a lot of white, working-class folks, as well as underrepresented minority backgrounds. when you think about how republicans need to talk about it, i think...
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clinton. their sharpest and most substantive change was on iran. united nations, the president appeared to draw a real line in the sand on anff t bu a nuclear weapon. >> so let me be clear. america wants to resolve this issue through diplomacy, and we believe this is sll time and space to do so. but that time is not limited. make no mistake. a nuclear iran is a challenge that can be containe ut the president's strong words weren't enough to satisfied romney. >> we can look at the record of the last four years. is iran closer to a nuclear weapon or not? we know the answer. it's closer to a nuclear weapon. >> but one tng oband ro cee , just how much they love president bill clinton now. they tried to one-up each other, in fact, in praising the former president and his, of course, the annual global initiative conference. >> if there's one thi we've learned in this ectio seas, he, itew words from bill clinton can do a lot of good. all i've got to do now is to wait for a couple of days for the boun
clinton. their sharpest and most substantive change was on iran. united nations, the president appeared to draw a real line in the sand on anff t bu a nuclear weapon. >> so let me be clear. america wants to resolve this issue through diplomacy, and we believe this is sll time and space to do so. but that time is not limited. make no mistake. a nuclear iran is a challenge that can be containe ut the president's strong words weren't enough to satisfied romney. >> we can look at the...
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. >> also on the list, bill clinton, he made that big old splash in the dnc. why was his presidency such a success? >> i think it was him helping the democratic party. helping ending the motion of the a robust welfare state and really modernizing the democratic party and making it more business friendly. >> is there someone who this yale historian decided was the worst president? >> he did not ran rank the worst president of the last 100 years. >> but president obama made that cut, being the most recent. not only even that. i think he was a path breaking president, you look at health care reform. it it it's. >> okay, thank you so much. >> what it takes to prepare to moderate a presidential debate. former abc news news anchor joins us in the next hour with her experience. and the next. there's cash flow options from pnc. solutions to help businesses like yours accelerate receivables, manage payments, and help ensure access to credit. because we know how important cash flow is to reaching your goals. pnc bank. for the achiever in you. there's natural gas under m
. >> also on the list, bill clinton, he made that big old splash in the dnc. why was his presidency such a success? >> i think it was him helping the democratic party. helping ending the motion of the a robust welfare state and really modernizing the democratic party and making it more business friendly. >> is there someone who this yale historian decided was the worst president? >> he did not ran rank the worst president of the last 100 years. >> but president...
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bill clinton is everywhere. melissa, i saw an e-mail out here. barack obama said after the debate he's meeting up with bill clinton again. who is the running mate, biden or clinton? >> biden is definitely the running mate. look, as the former president and as a former president two terms that the party is willing to put out there. the difference is george b. bush is a two-term president. the republican party does not have george w. bush on the trail, despite the fact that mr. romney has many bush advisers particularly in foreign policy. there's nothing like someone that held that office during good economic times and you put him on the trail. >> it's amazing you how that turn-around in this relationship. what's going through bill clinton's head? >> we can only imagine. don't fill in the blanks. >> shameless plugs. >> we have a good story today about how the problem with mitt romney is actually mitt romney and less about the campaign. >> mitt romney said it himself. >> chris christie best job with his ratings in his term. >> and for my colleague?
bill clinton is everywhere. melissa, i saw an e-mail out here. barack obama said after the debate he's meeting up with bill clinton again. who is the running mate, biden or clinton? >> biden is definitely the running mate. look, as the former president and as a former president two terms that the party is willing to put out there. the difference is george b. bush is a two-term president. the republican party does not have george w. bush on the trail, despite the fact that mr. romney has...
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and also americans like bill clinton. if you look at the fairvelt ratings, they're higher than the first lady's. >> kristen welker traveling with the president in nevada. that's a state we're going to dig deeper into in this hour. thanks again. we jump now to our monday morning power panel. we've got political analyst and columnist karen finney, alice, and perry bacon, msnbc contributor and political editor. thanks to all three of you being here. alice, i want to start with you. as we played off the top of the hour, governor chris christie repeating those comments. kind of raising the stakes for mitt romney three times specifically with david gregory on meet the press alone. do you think that he is doing mitt romney the nominee any favors predicting that he needs to seize that moment and pull momentum out of wednesday's debates to continue? >> well, certainly it's in his best interest to seize the moment. but the truth is we all know that president obama has a -- is a great orator and has a benit of having participated in
and also americans like bill clinton. if you look at the fairvelt ratings, they're higher than the first lady's. >> kristen welker traveling with the president in nevada. that's a state we're going to dig deeper into in this hour. thanks again. we jump now to our monday morning power panel. we've got political analyst and columnist karen finney, alice, and perry bacon, msnbc contributor and political editor. thanks to all three of you being here. alice, i want to start with you. as we...
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he had a moment to knock out bill clinton and he didn't. >> schieffer: this debate will be about domestic affairs. i want to ask you something about the foreign policy front. the administration has basic plea changed its account of what happened in libya, where our u.s. ambassador was killed. they said, susan rice said on this broadcast last sunday, after the president of libya said this was the work of terrorists, she said, no, this was because of a spontaneous demonstration that had to do with that film. now they have come around to saying, well, yes, it was a terrorist attack. is mitt romney making enough of this? i haven't heard too much from him on that. >> bob, what struck me-- and i have nope the director of national intelligence for years. he's a bright man. he's a competent man. this administration in effect is now saying, "oh, don't blame the united nations ambassador. don't blame the white house spokesman. don't blame the president, because our intelligence system failed so decisively." i don't know which worries me more, the idea that the intelligence system took weeks to figu
he had a moment to knock out bill clinton and he didn't. >> schieffer: this debate will be about domestic affairs. i want to ask you something about the foreign policy front. the administration has basic plea changed its account of what happened in libya, where our u.s. ambassador was killed. they said, susan rice said on this broadcast last sunday, after the president of libya said this was the work of terrorists, she said, no, this was because of a spontaneous demonstration that had to...
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parker can feel your pain just like bill clinton. i think one of the tasks for mitt romney is to prove he can feel your pain, not just inflict it. up next, what difference does it make when your president is also your friend? at least on facebook. thanks, parker. i appreciate it. >> nice job. ♪ ♪ ♪ we're lucky, it's not every day you find a companion as loyal as a subaru. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. ♪ spread a little love my way ♪ ♪ spread a little something to remember ♪ [ female announcer ] fresh milk and real cream makes philadelphia and the moment a little richer. so it can feel like you're using nothing at all. but neosporin® eczema essentials™ is different. its multi-action formula restores visibly healthier skin in 3 days. neosporin® eczema essentials™. is efficiently absorbed in small continuous amounts. citracal slow release continuously releases calcium plus d with efficient absorption in one daily dose. citracal slow release. oh, hey alex. just picking up some, brochures, posters copies of
parker can feel your pain just like bill clinton. i think one of the tasks for mitt romney is to prove he can feel your pain, not just inflict it. up next, what difference does it make when your president is also your friend? at least on facebook. thanks, parker. i appreciate it. >> nice job. ♪ ♪ ♪ we're lucky, it's not every day you find a companion as loyal as a subaru. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. ♪ spread a little love my way ♪ ♪ spread a little something to...
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you could also even go right back to the democratic national convention with former president bill clinton, the way he explained the economy and president obama's case for how he's handling the economy really seems to have had an impact. so i think those are some factors that are really playing into this lead. >> also starting out, ohio does have a lower unemployment rate than the national average. you have to factor that in as well. we know both candidates were campaigning there pretty hard in the buckeye state. let's take a listen to some of what happened. here it is. >> i have spent a lot of time in ohio, and i don't -- i don't meet a lot of victims. i see a lot of hard working ohioans. >> i believe in america and i believe in you. i believe you're going to help me win ohio, i'll tell you that. all right. >> so the president's showing up there a lot, but he also has the better ground game in ohio, right? >> right. well, i mean, he's been in ohio for five years and, you know, i mean, he had a very strong ground game here in '08 and it never really went away. so, i mean, this is something
you could also even go right back to the democratic national convention with former president bill clinton, the way he explained the economy and president obama's case for how he's handling the economy really seems to have had an impact. so i think those are some factors that are really playing into this lead. >> also starting out, ohio does have a lower unemployment rate than the national average. you have to factor that in as well. we know both candidates were campaigning there pretty...